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Audio interview · Episode 23

Alfred Chestnut and the Harlem Park Three: 36 Years to Exoneration

Alfred Chestnut speaks with Matt Rhine about 36 years wrongfully imprisoned, the path to exoneration, and the work of rebuilding a life.

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Audio interview

Alfred Chestnut

Member of the Harlem Park Three, in conversation with host Matt Rhine.

Episode 23 · 73 min

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The Harlem Park Three · Exonerated in 2019

Alfred ChestnutMember of the Harlem Park Three

Inside the Interview

  • Alfred remembers the Baltimore childhood and family life that came before his arrest at sixteen.
  • He recounts the first questioning and the long effort to have the case reconsidered.
  • How he understood the witnesses, who were also children when the case began.
  • The importance of being treated with dignity, even through years of imprisonment.
  • Small acts of care, family, and the work of rebuilding after exoneration.

Meet the Guest

Alfred Chestnut

Alfred Chestnut was sixteen when he, Andrew Stewart, and Ransom Watkins were arrested after the 1983 killing of their friend, fourteen-year-old DeWitt Duckett, at Baltimore’s Harlem Park Junior High School. The three teenagers maintained their innocence. Convicted in 1984, each spent 36 years in prison. Their experience became known as the case of the Harlem Park Three.

More about Alfred Chestnut

A joint reinvestigation by the Baltimore City State’s Attorney’s Conviction Integrity Unit and innocence advocates established that the three men did not commit the crime. Four witnesses recanted their testimony, saying they had been pressured to change their accounts. On November 25, 2019, their convictions were vacated and all charges dismissed.

In this conversation with Matt Rhine, Alfred describes his childhood in Baltimore, the earliest questioning, and the persistence it took to keep seeking legal help. He speaks about the witnesses as children who were also caught in the case, about being treated without dignity in prison, and about ordinary ways he tried to help others.

Exoneration did not give back those decades or erase their effects. Alfred talks about returning home, the unexpected ways trauma can surface, and the family and young daughter he was building a future for at the time of this conversation. His story is not only about what was taken from him; it is also about his agency, his care for others, and the life he was beginning to rebuild.

Case history: Mid-Atlantic Innocence Project case history ↗

  • 36 yearsWrongfully imprisoned
  • Nov. 25, 2019Exonerated
  • Harlem Park ThreeWith Andrew Stewart and Ransom Watkins

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The story, in order

Before the case, there was a Baltimore childhood: family, cousins across the street, and children finding ways to play. Alfred Chestnut was sixteen when his life was interrupted by a wrongful prosecution. He, Andrew Stewart and Ransom Watkins each spent 36 years in prison for the killing of fourteen-year-old DeWitt Duckett, a crime they did not commit.

In this conversation, Alfred describes the letters he kept writing when help seemed out of reach, his compassion for the children pressured to testify, and the small acts of care that mattered behind prison walls. Freedom brought a future with his family, but not an end to the effects of those years. Listen to Alfred tell that story in his own words.

  1. A child is killed. Three teenagers are wrongly accused.

    Fourteen-year-old DeWitt Duckett is killed at Harlem Park Junior High School. Police focus on Alfred Chestnut, Andrew Stewart and Ransom Watkins; the three maintain their innocence.

    Mid-Atlantic Innocence Project
  2. Convictions built on testimony later recanted.

    The three teenagers are convicted. Four teenage witnesses later recant, describing pressure to change their original accounts. Each man spends 36 years in prison.

    Mid-Atlantic Innocence Project
  3. Exonerated and released.

    A joint reinvestigation establishes their innocence. Their convictions are vacated and all charges dismissed; Alfred, Andrew and Ransom return home.

    CBS News · November 25, 2019
  4. A civil settlement follows.

    The three men reach a collective $48 million settlement with Baltimore, following their exoneration four years earlier.

    Flowers Keller · Case counsel
  5. When A Witness Recants premieres at Sundance.

    Dawn Porter’s separate documentary examines the Harlem Park Three’s story and the harm to the child witnesses. Ta-Nehisi Coates is an executive producer; HBO Documentary Films is the distributor.

    Official film press kit · World-premiere schedule

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Interview highlights

Three conversations worth your time.

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The Letters That Kept Hope Alive

Refused help did not end his search. Alfred describes finding an investigator and seeing the child witnesses as victims, too.

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Dignity in the Smallest Acts

A haircut, clean clothes, a kindness remembered. Alfred reflects on caring for others—and why compensation cannot return the years he lost.

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A Future for His Family

In 2023, Alfred talks about his young daughter, helping his nephew build a future, and finding purpose beyond what happened to him.

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From the interview

Questions and answers.

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What kept Alfred searching for help when lawyers could not take his case?

He describes writing to pro bono lawyers and innocence organizations, receiving refusals, and continuing to look for someone who could investigate. A former partner helped him pursue a private investigator.

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Why does he see the child witnesses as victims, too?

Alfred recalls anger at the false testimony, but says he forgave the witnesses during his imprisonment. They were children like him, and he understood the pressure placed on them.

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What can a small act of care mean inside prison?

He remembers helping another incarcerated person get a haircut and clean clothing. That person remembered his kindness, and Alfred says he continued helping people after release while recognizing his own limits.

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What does he remember about growing up in Baltimore?

Alfred describes a happy childhood with his mother and siblings, even though the family did not have much.

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How does he describe the first police questioning?

He recalls being questioned as a teenager without a parent or lawyer present and telling police what he knew.

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What does he say about DeWitt Duckett?

Alfred says DeWitt was his friend and that he and the others were concerned about what had happened to him.

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Why did Alfred’s jacket become part of the case?

Alfred recalls police treating his Georgetown jacket as the victim’s, even though his mother had a receipt. The Mid-Atlantic Innocence Project also documents that receipt in its case history.

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Why does Alfred return to the question of dignity?

He describes how being incarcerated could lead people to be looked down on rather than treated as human beings.

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What future was Alfred building for his family in 2023?

At the time of this interview, he and Matt discuss his young daughter and planning beyond the present. Alfred also describes helping his nephew see a gift as something to build on for the future.

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Does release put the trauma of imprisonment behind him?

Alfred says his experience cannot be measured against anyone else’s. He describes memories and music bringing unexpected tears, and the effects of holding so much inside for so long.

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